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dloope
Pro
USA
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 Posted - 07/20/2010 : 20:20:14
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OK...this forum needs a new topic. When I look up novice in the dictionary the definition is beginner. Hmmm...
Palmyra just had a huge turnout...awesome! But the 250Am class had 9 riders while 250 Novice had 42 and 250 Beginner had 32.
Why don't we (WNYMA and WNYR) join the rest of the world and have only A,B and C riders? Combine the Beginner and Novice class. Mini Riders that move up go straight to Am. With this formula, Palmyra maybe would have had 50 "C" riders and 30 "B" riders. Two full classes while eliminating a whole classification would produce good racing and make the program go faster. It might even accelerate riders to Expert which is really hurting at most races. Case in point... 5 riders in 250 Expert at Palmyra even with the huge turnout.
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mx289
New Member
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 21:05:26
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| i agree! |
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mxracer
Am
85 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2010 : 21:22:09
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| People like to win. Riders do too. The Expert classes have always been the minorty and they always will be. Why? Because riders like to win/place well. Once you get to the big boys, the fun is over for most... and they quite racing. Want smaller rider turnouts? Combine Beginner-Novice. |
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slowoldguy
Expert
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 21:34:38
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| Not a bad idea. If I remember correctly WNYSC in the 80's was just a,b and c. I think mini riders should go to novice though unless they are an exceptional rider and chooses to go straight to am. |
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2010 : 22:02:36
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| I think the attrition of the Expert class is mostly due to life events. I've seen these kids grow up, go to college, get jobs, maybe start families and end up having very little time for the sport they love. But why is the AM class starting to see such declining numbers? Maybe we're seeing these riders quit when the hit AM? MXRACER may have a point but I think by combining the classes, AM would receive a greatly needed shot in the arm. It would be as competitive as Novice is now. It seems to work well in D3. Also, the beginner class would be for beginners. So most mini riders would have to go to AM because of their experience. I think you'll be surprised how well they can do in AM. Of course there would be a place for inexperienced mini riders in the Beginner class. |
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tirepimp
Pro
USA
205 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2010 : 22:20:33
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Wow....I mean it...... I'll just stand over in the corner here and let you guys catch up....dum-de-de-dum.... tap me when you're ready....
WNYmotocross.com: Dum-da-de-dum-dum....no, go ahead, I'll wait... |
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2010 : 22:34:50
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Originally posted by tirepimp
Wow....I mean it...... I'll just stand over in the corner here and let you guys catch up....dum-de-de-dum.... tap me when you're ready....
WNYmotocross.com: Dum-da-de-dum-dum....no, go ahead, I'll wait...
Haha...I know Scott. You've brought this up several times. But before the split, there was plenty of riders for all classes. Now there is an obvious discrepancy with the class numbers that needs addressing. Tap..tap...we're ready! 
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tirepimp
Pro
USA
205 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 08:20:14
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Now may be that moment in time to reconsider, rethink and realign the basic class structure. Fewer classes, longer motos might be an attraction. Ask some of the basic questions, like "Why did you start racing? What brings you out to compete?" Novice, Amateur, Expert may be a start to revitalizing the program. Simpler is better.
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Kazimoto
Pro
Saint Barthelemy
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 08:52:55
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Maybe the classes just need to be renamed?
-Obamacross Class
-Novice
-Am
-Expert
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tirepimp
Pro
USA
205 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 09:05:19
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| Now Kazi-san, are you referring to the yet un-released Treasury supported plan where you get free sign up, one lap moto on someone else's bike and everyone gets a trophy? |
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SHOCK_DOCTOR
Novice
USA
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 09:55:03
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I agree with the combining of classes for sure and the progression of moving riders up to the am and expert.
BUT I don't agree with moving the 85 kids directly to AM (B) there are many and I do mean many who are not and will not ever be capable of going that speed. and just because they are moving to a big bike does mean they should move to am.
There are and always will be cherry pickers or parents who want to hold thier kids back for what ever reason, and that would need to be addressed.
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Kazimoto
Pro
Saint Barthelemy
174 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 10:12:13
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Watching races at Palmyra Sunday I had a hard time differentiating between the Am, Nov, and Beginner classes.
Who isn't proud that we have some super fast beginners (with Am lap times).
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ben990
Forum Admin
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 10:21:45
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| I shake my head when I see riders in the beginner class doubling and tripling, and there are a few of them. It makes me feel like maybe I am in the wrong class (am). Whatever is below the beginner class might be good for me... |
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dw834
Pro
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 10:45:24
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| Everywhere else has A,B,C. Years ago they started an intermediate class, which eventually turned into novice and novice into beginner. Never did agree with any of it. It should be three classes like the AMA. |
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tirepimp
Pro
USA
205 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 11:13:12
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| I just sorta quickly perused through one of the current rulebook headings marked "classes". I counted a potential 30 classes for a race day. Is this correct? Even if you combined a few....it seems a trifle excessive..... |
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SHOCK_DOCTOR
Novice
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 11:36:55
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Having the ability to ride 3 classes isn't a problem and it gives people the chance to ride more than 20 minutes during the course of a day. I think most would agree with that.
Ben, I have to agree with you it's kinda bad from a spectator's point of view when you hear the gasps while your standing next to the fence seeing a Beginner or Novice trying a jump that's way above there skill level. But I guess you have to start somewhere. Thanks for stopping by and saying hello Sat!
Funny thing is most riders would be furter ahead if they had faster corner speed and didn't jump a single thing! Ground speed is what wins races Just ask all the Pro's who scub to get back to the ground, to go fast. Or as Larry Meyers used to say... Keep your wheels on the ground and feet on the pegs .... or something like that. LOL!
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