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Mediator
Beginner
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 Posted - 07/21/2010 : 15:00:23
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| If we are talking rules how about the color of the plate back round rule? Ben can you help me on this. |
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 15:26:58
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Originally posted by Mediator
If we are talking rules how about the color of the plate back round rule? Ben can you help me on this.
Agreed....always seems to be a lot of Experts in the Open Beginner Class.
White background / Black numbers = Open Expert |
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ben990
Forum Admin
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 15:41:25
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I might be the only rider in Sr. B to run the correct color combo. Kudos to me.
BTW, running am plates (black numbers on a yellow background) costs me a second or two a lap. I am positive that if I ran black numbers on a white background my lap times would be better. I would look waaaayyyyyy faster.
The only riders that should be exempt from running the correct colors are owners of 2004 Yamaha YZ450F's. Putting backgrounds on the right side number plate of this bike is like putting backgrounds on a bowling ball. It is almost impossible to put it on without big ugly wrinkles. Wrinkly sigh.
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goober
Am
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 15:55:05
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CNY which is AMA has a beginner class. The AMA districts can pick amd choose to run any AMA class that are in there rules.So AMA does offer that class.
Agreed that 95% of the mini's would be way over there heads in the AM class.
The beginner should be allowed at the max one season in that class, regardless of not earning enough points.
Who is going to pay a full gate of Experts ? 40 @ 30 = 1200 @ 200% = 2400 then add another 1500 for the 250 and Sr A riders. You would have to have 450- 500 for a bare mininmum sign up to pay these guys. Or you could raise the price for the rest of the riders to subsidize the Experts that you want to see on the line.
Nov's and Ams will sandbag for whatever reason they can come up with, happens all over the country, soooo I would say fuhhgetaboutit
Goobs says run with the big dogs if you got it in you.
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 16:16:59
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| I stand corrected....when did CNY start a Beginner class? It always used to be only Nov/AM/EX with Donna D. always lecturing that WNY Novices had to race AM in D3. |
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mx5471
Pro
223 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 16:24:26
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It is a non-points class. Must be something new. Look on the very last line.
CLASSES: All CNYMRA points paying meets will run all CNYMRA classes. Point standings will be kept for the following classes:
51cc Pee-Wee Jr. (ages 4-6)
51cc Pee-Wee Sr. (ages 7-8)
59-65cc Two-stroke (ages 7-11)
Junior Mini 59-85cc two-stroke (ages 9-11)
79-85cc Two-stroke (ages 12-15)
*Open Mini 79-112cc 2-stk
(ages 10-16; includes 75-150cc 4-stroke)
*Schoolboy 86-250cc (ages 12-16)
Beginner 122-250cc
Beginner 122-Open
** Collegeboy (ages 14-24)
Plus-25 Am (B)
Plus-25 Expert (A)
Plus-30 Novice (C)
Plus-30 Amateur (B)
Plus-30 Expert (A)
Plus-40 Am (B)
Plus-40 Expert (A)
Plus-45 Amateur (B)
Plus-45 Expert (A)
Women 85-250cc
122-125cc 2-Stroke Only
#250cc Novice (C)
122-250cc Amateur (B)
122-250cc Expert (A)
#Open Novice (C)
122-Open cc Amateur (B)
122-Open cc Expert (A)
#Quad Novice (C)
Quad Amateur (B)
Quad Expert (A)
Plus 25 Quad
Mini Quad 50cc Limited
Mini Quad 51-90cc Production
Quad Schoolboy Mod (ages 12-15)
* No Expert (A) riders allowed in Open Mini or Schoolboy.
#Novice classes top two places only, series and year end awards.
** Collegeboy is designated as second class only
Non-points classes which also run at each meet are: *51cc Oil Injected 4-8, 122-250 Beginner and 122-Open Beginner
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goober
Am
98 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 20:14:07
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CNY started it this year.One reason may have to do with the Top Gun Series. They may have seen the advantages to this clas as well. IF you are a true beginner it may be very intimindating to line up with some very fast Novs and a full gate most of the time.So maybe some just opted out or went to another district that offered it. The Novice class has fielded more riders than Beg. and Am's in just about every district.
I understand Daves point. I also understand the Promoters point of making it a little harder to become a Expert.Then again the fast Am's at some time see the light $$.
You could take it one step further and just run 6 class's no ranking, 55/65/85/125/250/450 and give each class 1/2 hour motos. I think your are defeating the main purpose of the big 4 class's. For that matter is it fair that a local Expert has to race against Pro riders? They are on a whole different level yet they get to "take" your money. I see that at Frozen many a day as Kiniry,Eastman Carpenter,Phinney,Drake,Burke,Ryan Mills, Mitch Doughtery[25th a couple Nats ago] Shatrau along with Mays now at LL in the Pro class and the likes line there pockets with the locals entry fee's. Phinney just finished 11th and Willy 19th in the open class at the Canadian Nat's last weekend. Keast who has raced at 51 was 3rd or 4th along with Burke placing in the top 15.
I would venture to say we will always have a beginner class and a low turnout in the Experts. As Dave mentioned when they hit 17-18 and reach Expert, life catches up with many, Jobs,Girls,College,Girls,Cars, Girls,Summertime fun and "partying" with girls, Health Insurance, there own independance,not having to listen to Dad at the track and most of all Girls!
Why not eliminate Am's that would be doing just about the same thing as eliminating Beginners.
Goobs says enjoy what you have as things whip by oh so fast.
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dw834
Pro
346 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 22:24:41
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BAH!!! Run A,B,C and give more laps. Points advancement will level competition. If you are going to race bikes do a little practice before lining up. It works everywhere in America. Letting little junior get his a** handed to him builds character. The next time he or she will try harder.
WNYMA ALL THE WAY!!! |
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mx5471
Pro
223 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 00:48:05
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| Dave has brought up a very good point. There has always been conflicts between CNYMA and WNYMA on class structure.If you were a beginner in WNYMA,and raced at CNYMA,they made you run novice,and then when you came back to WNYMA,Terry made you race novice because you raced that class there. So the class rules were never followed to begin with. One thing I'll say to address goober's statement about the expert class is that 10 years ago we wondered the same thing,but as it plays out they are really only just local fast guys.That's why they aren't racing somewhere else. Anyone can move up to expert anytime they want.My opinion is that as the tracks are suffering from the spread out attendance,more classes equates to more sign up money for them,which comes back to what Dave said about how long can a given track stay viable. Dave has a lot of good ideas and his statements are always unbiased and always make sense. I can't understand why he isn't on the board of both organizations. |
Edited by - mx5471 on 07/22/2010 00:50:24 |
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mxmat813
New Member
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 07:39:20
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How about an advancment system for the age group classes? I feel bad for Tiffany when often times he's the only guy in the Vet A moto. I'd like to move up to Vet A after Loretta's but I sure as hell don't wanna get my ass kicked by the only other guy in the class.
www.myspace.com/mxmat813 |
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unpride
Pro
USA
209 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 11:39:47
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Lower the points needed in Beginner and Novice to move up. Top 3 trophy in Beginner and thats it. Once you win a certain amount of races in Novice your bumped up to Am.
rules are meant to be broken! |
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 11:56:50
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Originally posted by mx5471
Dave has a lot of good ideas and his statements are always unbiased and always make sense. I can't understand why he isn't on the board of both organizations.
Jeez Don....what did I ever do to you?  |
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 11:59:06
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| mxmat813....Good luck at Loretta's |
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mxmat813
New Member
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 15:08:31
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Originally posted by dloope
mxmat813....Good luck at Loretta's
Thanks! My wife and I are expecting our first child in November, so honestly, I'm just going to go down and try to make it back in one piece!
www.myspace.com/mxmat813 |
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dloope
Pro
USA
304 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2010 : 15:17:54
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You better...or there will be Hell to pay! |
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